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4/9/2006 3:01 pm |
I'm in agreement with Tropical Guy. (And great question, reallysaved!) My only comment to my brother biblestudyman is that the biggest confusion I know of has to do with the difference between someone giving a messing in tongues to a body of believers (which definitely requires interpretation othewise, what's the point since no one would understand what is being said) and what Tropical Guy is pointing out...that there is such a thing as a personal prayer language, and THAT does NOT need interpretation because you are talking to God and He doesn't need anyone to interpret for Him.  I love jumping in on this particular post because I have a tremendous testimony--one that really throws a monkey-wrench in some people's theology. (I know, because I've been a part of churches who kept saying there was no way I was baptised in the Spirit since I didn't immediately have a manifestation of a prayer language. I just smile...and totally ignore them.  )I grew up in a southern baptist church where no one there believed in the baptism of the Holy Spirit or the gifts of the spirit or anything like that. But man, they sure did know how to preach the gospel and get people born-agian. I was born-again (CLEARLY, I knew what I was doing) when I was 8! Then...something happened to me when I was 12. I was in a very conservative baptist church attending a revival service one night, and long story short, at the end when they were giving the altar call, somehow...someway...I found myself praying something like, "Lord, I want everything You have." And at that moment, it was like lightening hit me from the crown of my head to the bottom of my feet. I thought Jesus and all of heaven had jumped into my little body! I burst into tears (of joy!), and quite beside myself, shoved everyone aside, made my way to the center aisle, and RAN to the front of the church. I had no idea what had just happened to me...and neither did anyone else. All I knew was I was flooded with this incredible love and joy and a REVELATION of Jesus like I had never known. It radically and dramatically changed my life from that moment on. I prayed incessantly. I devoured the Word and it opened up to me in a way like I had never known. I did NOT speak in tongues. Didn't know a THING about it. Fast forward about twelve years...finally began to hear some teaching on the Baptism of the Spirit, and, when I did, immediately I knew THAT'S what had happened to me when I was 12. I then began to be taught that along with receiving the fullness of the spirit in that way is a kind of "built in" ability to pray in a new language. And notice how I phrased that. I did NOT say a gift to speak in tongues--although, technically, you are speaking in tongues when you speak in your prayer language, but I'm trying to make a distinction here for purposes of this particular post. At that point, I had people lay hands on me and pray for a release of my prayer language. It didn't immediately manifest. However, I kept thanking the Lord for it because I believed it was a part of the package. Then, one day not long aferwards, when I was in my car just singing and worshipping Him, I got so caught up in it, I thought, "Oh, who cares if I just make up words to sing. He'll know what I'm saying." And began to sing in another language. After a few minutes of doing this, all of a sudden, I realized what I was doing and stared laughing. I stopped singing and just began to let that language flow in my normal voice. And I've hardly stopped since! I'm not bragging when I say that. Please understand. Being able to pray in my prayer language is one of my most awesome...dare I say it...gifts I have been given. So many times when I don't know what to do or how to pray about something, I just begin to pray in my prayer language. Don't want to start a war here, but I personally interpret the Apostle Paul's references to praying with your spirit/praying in the spirit to mean this very thing. I earnestly sought God back in 1985, praying in the spirit sometimes two or three hours a day. I was seeking Him concerning specifically what I was called to do in music. And the result was an explosion of revelation where He illuminated to my understanding what I am called to do. It literally changed the course of my life forever. Thank GOD for the present day ministry of the Holy Spirit and for the most precious and wonderful way He takes hold together with us (when we pray in our prayer language) and prays us into the perfect will of God for our lives. (Romans 8:26) Most humbly and respecfuly submitted, Sharon
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4/9/2006 10:29 pm |
Hey - I did some research about this topic and found lots of good stuff that ya'll might appreciate. I'm standing with Sister Sharon!!! melody. Praying in the Spirit: How Prayer Language Comes by R. Graves Receive the Gift of The Holy Spirit Evidence of The Holy Spirit at Work Blaspheming Holy Spirit Jesus: Ultimate Example of Being Holy Spirit Filled! GLOSSOLALIA: Declaring the Wonders of God
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4/11/2006 4:55 pm |
Sharon, PRAISE THE LORD! What a wonderful testimony. I too did not receive my prayer language for several weeks after I was baptized in the Holy Spirit. At the time I received "THE GIFT" It is a gift to me because of what it has added to my life and it is all good! anyway, I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit at Joyce Meyer's conference here in Atlanta August 9th 2003. I had been listening to her for months and could not wait to go see her in Atlanta. I had went to a real legalistic church for 25 years and it was very difficult for me to understand any of this in the natural however, when I stood up by faith and asked to receive this baptism It was like electric shock going through my body and I shook for 15 minutes or longer. I know something happened to me as well. My prayer language did not come forth for many many weeks later. I was asleep and this was before my husband died and he said I was just jabbering in my sleep and it was then I realized this must be my prayer language. It had to come out so I began to just say whatever and I too was in the car one day praying and it came out bubbling like a fountain! I have not stopped since either. I pray sometimes for an hour or 2 myself. I had to build my spirit man up because of what was coming with my husbands illness & death soon afterwords. God is good! He is awesome! I will never stop praying in my prayer language either! God Bless! Judith Thanks so much for sharing your testimony. And I know exactly what you mean when you say you needed to build up your spirit man because of what was coming with your husband's illness and death. Being able to pray in the spirit (i.e. pray in your prayer language) like the scriptures say in Jude (vs 20 I think...not sure and don't have my Bible with me) is such an asset. And, biblestudyman, I'm saying this without an attitude of haughtiness or spiritual arrogance. I don't enjoy getting into debates and arguments over how people interpet the scriptures. But if you can possibly hear me, consider the various scriptures just like this one in Jude where it talks about the benefits of praying in the spirit. He says in I Cor. 14 that he prays with his sprit and he prays with his understanding; He sings with his spirit and he sings with his understanding. If you go back to the top of this post and read both Tropical Guy's opening paragraph and mine (in our respective comments) we both say the same thing: There is a difference in praying (to God) with your prayer language (which is a "built-in" capacity, you might call it, that accompanies being Baptized in the Holy spirit...eventually, as Judith and I have testified here) and operating in the gift of giving a message in tongues to a body of believers. In the latter case, you are absolutely right: If there is no one present who also operates in interpretation of tongues, then it's rather pointless to speak to the body of believers in a language which no one can understand. My tone is not argumentative, my brother. I'm simply trying to bring some additional light to this not only for perhaps your benefit, but for others who might read this post. Consider this: Why would the Lord through Paul tell us to "pray with all manner of prayer in the spirit (see Eph. 6...again, sorry that I don't know the exact verse) if only some people were going to be able to do it? (And I'm equating praying in your prayer language to praying in the spirit because I believe they are the same thing.) Everyone who seeks the Lord Jesus to be baptized in His Sprit can fully expect Him to not only answer their prayer and be empowered to be His witness but also to be able to communicate with Him by praying with their spirit as the Holy Spirit articulates the words through them, i.e. pray in tongues in their new prayer language. All it really requires is an open and earnest heart, a little faith--probably no more than the size of a mustard seed--and maybe a little patience and determination not to let the enemy talk you out of it or discourage you before it manifests if, like with myself and Judith, it doesn't manifest immediately. Remember, God is no respector of persons. He is, however, a respector of faith.
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4/12/2006 12:28 am |
speaking in tongue dose'nt necessarly means to be baptised by the Holy spirit. We can be baptised by the Holy spirit even without speaking in tongue.
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4/13/2006 10:08 am |
Somone once told me that I wasn't a proper christian as I didn't speak in tongues. I didn't agree, but it hurt me. It breaks my heart anytime I hear of anyone being put down or belittled in any way as far as where they are in their walk with the Lord. I knew when I posted my two comments above that there would be those who wouldn't agree with what I believe. But that's okay. I didn't say what I did with a know-it-all type of haughty or spiritually arrogant spirit--and God knows my heart that I'm telling the truth. My purpose in sharing everything I do here at BC is first and foremost, to present the type of person I am to, hopefully, my future mate and secondly, to be a living testimony of the awesome greatness of God's grace at work in my life...to motivate people to seek Him for His best for their lives. As my precious sister, continuinghope, said above, praying in tongues has been an edifying experience...a great blessings. THAT'S why I posted what I did here; not so I could enter into a heated debate or appear as if I'm somehow more superior than another brother or sister in Christ who either does not interpret the scriptures as I or who has not yet experienced praying in tongues for themselves. And I'm not addressing this next statement so much to you, Jewel, as I am to others who may reads this: Please remember that the enemy loves to do anything he can do to divide us and cause strife. If he can get you to be offended, then you close your heart to the things we are talking about here (specifically tongues). Sometimes people interpret other people's actions and what they say to mean they are being spiritually arrogant, when in fact they aren't at all. Love says, think and act the best toward everyone. I'm not here to put anyone down because they don't speak in tongues. And I'm not here to convince anyone that it's for them. As my sister said above, let those who can accept it, accept it, and those who cannot, ask God why. He's your teacher. He'll guide you into the whole truth...if you keep seeking Him with an open and earnest heart. That's how I got where I'm at. 
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4/13/2006 10:59 am |
Jean your poll is still going...haha you like poll... In answer...speaking in tongues is a gift given by the Holy Spirit as He wills...for the edification of His church body...it is also the only gift that is given for self edification too... Thus not necessary that everyone will get it!! Jean wishing you a blessed Easter WE...Praise God...Our Lord Jesus Christ Is Risen indeed!! Man can make many plans...BUT it is the Lord who will direct his paths....
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4/13/2006 1:34 pm |
IN 1 20R 14 Are we talking about a known language or a unknown language. let me break that down just a bit a language that is known to man but unknown to the church folks present or a language unknown to any man? In 1 cor.13;1 "Though i" speak doesn't mean that Paul speaks languages of men and angels.. as u read further he uses the same phrase "though i" to say in 1Co 13:2 though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith.... well scripture reveals to us Paul didn't have all these things..[ 1Co 13:12] the gist of what Paul is seating here is "If i spoke with tongues of men and of angels , "if" i had the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith And have Not Love i have nothing but noise. "If there were any tongues of angels, and I had them, and did not use them to the benefit of my neighbour, it would be nothing else except a vain and prattling type of babbling." Geneva bible note Paul shows clearly the superiority of Love over all gifts. Paul was a very educated man for his day and time. The son of a pharisee.[ Act 23:6] i would assume anything here it would be that because of his education he understood ansd spoke different languages. [1cor 14:8] i am interested in seeing other chapters and references as to the doctrines of tongue talking. Is chapter 14 in 1 cor to be the place.? what language is tongues? where do you reference thisto the bible?
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4/14/2006 4:04 am |
Worshippingone, thank you for what you said. Your heart is a pure one and the Lord knows that too. It's funny because when this person said what he did to me, I was only a baby christian, 8 months, but I think God gave me the wisdom at that young age to know that I was His and He was mine and that was that. It was pure and simple. God gives me what He gives me and chooses to withhold what I don't need. We as christians all have the gifts that God has chosen to give us and we fit together just right in that working. Within a church every gift can be used to compliment the other, if we are willing for God to do that. I have the gift of encouragement and that's what God has given me. Maybe in the future I may get tongues God knows that, but for now I'm just happy whatever He gives me. A friend of mine speaks in tongues and she said that it's freeing, because there is no wandering of the mind onto other things, its just praise to God. Satan can do all sorts with our mind. He puts schemes in place, negative ones that if we go down that route can damage us. I wonder if tongues can help with this as its complete and utter focussing on God. Ruth )I also really appreciated what you said about how Satan can put all sorts of things in our minds and schemes and stuff. Yes, I definitely believe that when anyone prays in their prayer language, they are tapping into a very special "hotline to Heaven" and making intercession in behalf of not only themselves but for others. Here's an example: A few days ago while driving to my office, I was quietly praying in the spirit (in my prayer language). I pulled up to a red light and stopped behind a car. Because it was two lanes, there were also vehicles to my left and they were also stopped. The light turned green, and I noticed that the vehicle immediately to my left slightly lurched then stopped because the engine temporarily died. The person in front of my began to slowly move forward, and all of a sudden, another vehicle came barreling across the intersection going at least 30-40 miles an hour. Because the first vehicle on the far left-hand side had not yet moved forward, the car in front of me was able to see this guy who was running a red light and avoid hitting him. And if the vehicle on the far left had moved at all, they would have been broad-sided in violent fashion. Now, was all that avoided because I was sitting there praying in the spirit? Was the timing of my being there and sitting there praying as I was somehow divinely orchestrated so He could use my prayers to interceed in behalf of those other people--including the guy who was running the red light? I have no idea. I certainly have no proof. All I know is, I am always asking the Lord to do in this earth through me all He wants to do, and if He did use me as a vessel of His grace that morning, then all I can say is, thank You, Lord! And by the way, I have all kinds of testimonies of the "results" that come with praying in the spirit--not necessarily along these lines, but things that just somehow form a pattern such that it seems very clear to me, there really is something to this praying in your prayer language that not only benefits yourself, but others you are "connected" to. Keep growing in Jesus, Ruth. And it sounds like you most definitely are!
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4/14/2006 12:56 pm |
The miracle of various languages at Pentecost was wrought for a reason: to get the gospel to all the nations who were represented there. There is a whole list of the nations recorded. (Acts 2:9-12)This and through the sermon by Peter through the power of the Holy Spirit 3000 people were saved. I always , in seeing the word "tongues" believe it is speaking of languages. The word "unknown" in 1Corinthians is in italics which means it was not in the original manuscripts of the Bible. But the translators put it there because many who heard these languages did not understand them. People at the home or Cornelious and in the churches later at Corinth had the miracle and used it improperly. 1Cor 12 and 14 records to us instructions given to the Corinthians by Paul to counter act the problems they were having with "tongues" and other things with which the church were having trouble. Therefore what am I saying? I am simply saying there was a need for the miracle because Christianity was new and starting to grow and develop. The miracle proved the authenticity of the growing church and made it possible for people from afar off to understand what was being proclaimed to them. Paul had the gift so he could share the message through out Asia Minor and finally in Rome. Today, over 2000 years later, where is the need for the miracle? Most people in the USA speak English.....and for the Latinos they have churches who preah and speak Spanish.....The same for Korean churches, and etc. All due respect, for a person in one of English speaking churches to stand up and utter a bunch of gibberish no one understands, only disorder and confusion occurs when that happens. God tells us He is "NOT the author of CONFUSION." See 1Cor. 14:33
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4/14/2006 4:02 pm |
thank you worshippingone for sharing with us the wonderful works of God. i have heard testimonies very similar to what you have shared from others. to be "filled with the holy Spirit" Eph 3:14-21 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fullness of God. Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen "to be filled with all the fullness of God" is that not what it is meant by the phrase "baptism of the holy Spirit"? my understanding is: there is one baptism [eph 4:5] we are sealed with the Holy Spirit. [ 2Co 1:22; Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30] the Holy Spirit dwells in us. [2Co 6:16; 2Ti1:14; 1Jo 4:12, 1Jo 4:15; Zec 2:10-11; Joh 6:56; Rom 8:9-11; 1Co 3:16] fillings : [eph.3:19 above} Act 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness Act 9:17; 13:9;Act 13:52; Eph 5:18;Phi 1:11 Anyways thats my understanding of what the Word of God says about the filling [or baptism ] of the Holy Spirit. no where do i see that tongues have anytihing at all to do with it. In fact the Church at Corinth that Paul spent a lot of time with were problamatic with tongues [1 cor ch.14] as well as other things. PAul says they were yet a carnal [1Co 3:1] church. So then how could the gift of tongues have anything to do with holiness? It is a gift differing according to the grace given from God. [Rom 12:6 see rom.11:29 as well] O and it apears John the baptist indeed was filled with the Holy Spirit from the womb:Luk 1:15 For he [ John the Baptist]shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. i understand in part and am teachable... i do seek the Truth and welcome those who honstely wishes to study these things. i am willing to be wrong in my own understanding [ the Word is always correct]as it wouldn't be the first time. can someone please show me the first time tongue talking as we have going on in many churches today was first used? can anyone share historical evidence in church history of people speaking in tongues? praise be to God
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